Stan: We got a succinct answer from Robert Reiter to our August puzzler How many pipe diameters downstream of desuperheaters should a temperature sensor be mounted?
Robert: Temperature measurement should be located at least 20 pipe diameters downstream of any attemperator. However, a Sarco installation drawing says 30 feet. It needs to be far enough away for all the water to boil, but close for faster response.
Greg: A straight run of at least 10 feet between the outlet of the attemperator and the first elbow before the temperature sensor is required to prevent damage from the impact of water droplets.
Meanwhile, Walter Farr had a good answer to our September puzzler question, When should you not use a valve positioner?
Walter: Never use a valve positioner as a characterizer for a valve that has no character. Use a valve with character.
Greg: It is better to address the source of the problem rather than trying to treat the symptoms. However, if I were implementing signal characterization to compensate for the flattening of an installed valve characteristic that I was stuck with at high flows, I would do it in the distributed control system rather than in the valve for greater visibility and coordination.
Stan: In the days of pneumatic positioners, the calibration changed and required special skills and too much time to keep in good shape. Plus, analog controllers were faster than these pneumatic positioners on big valves and fast loops, violating the cascade rule requiring the secondary loop (valve positioner) to be five times faster than the primary loop.
Greg: With distributed control systems and digital valve controllers, these issues of tuning and calibration are largely gone. In my book, the diagnostics and read back of actual position justify the general use of smart digital positioners. The biggest mistakes I have made in my career mostly centered around attempts to save money by cheapening the automation system even though these costs were in the noise band of the project and would ultimately come back to haunt me. On the other hand, without valve position read-back, maybe operations will never track down the source of variability to the valve. Hopefully they havent heard that limit cycles from stick-slip can be 10 times larger for valves without positioners, or read the article Improve Control Loop Performance in the November issue of Chemical Processing.
Stan: Any answers probably got lost in the spam to the October puzzler, When does a feed-forward control system do more harm than good?
Greg: If the feed-forward signal arrives much too soon, it can cause inverse response, confusing the controller, and if it is way late, it can cause a second disturbance, unsettling the controller. Then theres the question of unmeasured disturbances driving the process back to set point, and feed-forward action oblivious to the trajectory would undo the approach to the set point. For more details check out my September blogs on Feedforward Techniques in the continuous control category at http://ModelingandControl.com.
Stan: We conclude with selections from one of our all-time favorite lists, Believe it or Dont, from our book, Dissipating Heat Through Conviction.
Believe It or Dont